The Veto Pen Does Have Ink.....
President Bush this morning vetoed the SCHIP bill, which was to expand health insurance to middle income children (up to age 25). The present SCHIP is designed for lower income kids. No problem with that; I haven't really heard opposition to the current program. The expansion of SCHIP was part of the broad Democratic plan to try to add a health care entitlement to the middle class to make them dependent on the federal government forever. Then they could start to slowly implement their sure to be inefficient and absurdly costly takeover of everyone's health care (i.e. HillaryCare). The accounting gimmicks the Dems used to try and explain the costs make some of the Republican accounting from the past years look accurate. The new program would have been paid for with a 61-cent-a-pack increase in federal tobacco taxes, which is ironic because the tax would have ended up hurting those most who it was designed to help.
I never got a chance to break down SCHIP for you, I got caught up in baseball, but all the information is out there for you if you bother to look. But the Democratic bill was too costly and I think (and the President agrees) took the program too far from what it was intended to do - help poor children get health insurance.
President Bush this morning vetoed the SCHIP bill, which was to expand health insurance to middle income children (up to age 25). The present SCHIP is designed for lower income kids. No problem with that; I haven't really heard opposition to the current program. The expansion of SCHIP was part of the broad Democratic plan to try to add a health care entitlement to the middle class to make them dependent on the federal government forever. Then they could start to slowly implement their sure to be inefficient and absurdly costly takeover of everyone's health care (i.e. HillaryCare). The accounting gimmicks the Dems used to try and explain the costs make some of the Republican accounting from the past years look accurate. The new program would have been paid for with a 61-cent-a-pack increase in federal tobacco taxes, which is ironic because the tax would have ended up hurting those most who it was designed to help.
I never got a chance to break down SCHIP for you, I got caught up in baseball, but all the information is out there for you if you bother to look. But the Democratic bill was too costly and I think (and the President agrees) took the program too far from what it was intended to do - help poor children get health insurance.
posted by Ben at
10/03/2007 12:49:00 PM
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President Bush signed a short-term extension of SCHIP so it wont expire. Important to note.
What a difference an election makes. President Bush uses his veto authority to oppose expanding health care for children? Wow. Maybe he would have passed it if there were more campaign kickbacks like there were in the prescription drug benefit.
Kyle stop being so dramatic and pretending this is a republican attack on the kids. He used the veto to limit the burgeoning govt entitlement program. This is a proxy battle over govt healthcare vs private care and he did the correct thing. SCHIP, as it stands now functions in a manner to cover children who otherwise wouldn't be covered, Ben accurately summarized what was going on. If anything you should be giving the prsident kudos over his willingness to extend SCHIP instead of screaming republicans hate kids.
Oh and the coverage that would have been issued with the modified coverage would cover a group that (by in large) already is covered-middle class kids. So it isn't like little Tommy will be left out in the cold with his sniffles
This is a good thing. Now Congress can retool the legislation for improvement and get the changes needed for it to pass.
End all government entitlement programs.
anonymous-it will never get past a veto-dream on hippies
There should be no hippie like tendancies in cutting federal entitlement programs. Simply, conservatism equals people solutions, liberalism is government solutions. Where there is government there is inefficiency, where there is inefficiency there is government. Thus, conservatives should push to cut these programs and not creat an underclass dependent on government.
tough one for Utley and the phillies
T-tawg, the point I made is that under a Republican House and Senate the President would not have to use his veto authority on these kind of issues because the bill would never get through the Senate. What a difference an election makes.
What a joke for anyone to say that the President wants to limit government entitlement programs. The prescription drug benefit was the largest entitlement program since social security. President Bush is happy to expand government when it is in his political interest. He will only limit it when it is in his political interest and he can deny Democrats a legislative victory.
Kyle lets look at one issue at a time, because I agree with you on some other issues, but this one is trying to be sold as denying healthcare to kids which for all practical purposes it isn't. What is being done is preventing the shift from private coverage to Govt Coverage. This is in line with traditional Republican values and falls in line with fiscal restraint and limiting Govt entitlment programs (Again I am referring to this issue only). This veto was obviously going to happen, not only this but it is a way to continue expanding govt provided coverage. The dems and the Universal healthcare suporters are trying to gain incremental steps in lieu of passing a direct bill, because they know it wouldn't pass. As I said before it was a proxy fight and a political show so Pelosi and other DEms could say "See they hate kids."
I am disappointed that you are allowing yourself to fall for this type of political show.
Kyle,
I agree that Bush has expanded gov. and I believe he has helped create an out of control budget. But vetoing the all for the children bill is what the Dems. want.
See, they hate kids.
suicide watch for keeler after phillies game today?
I just talked to Ben. He went to the game in Phili and is driving back tonight. I'm sure he'll have a post up soon.
not very creative in your defense of the stupid veto. you just say what bush said.
rejecting health care for kids is crap. if a middle class family has a lapse in insurance, and in that lapse, their kid gets sick, THEY WILL GO BANKRUPT.
But screw them.
(when i say sick, i mean seriously ill....although even a regular sickness can cause a family to miss a mortgage payment)
and if Bush can bail out the idiot lenders or idiots in the airline industry, then why not bail out families and children.
you obvously are unaware of someting called COBRA. Your level of ignorance on healthcare is stunning, you basically regurgutate whatever leftwing loon is espousing on the topic and have never bothered to look at it in a thoughtful maner. Just stop with your silly judgements on a subject you are far too lazy to learn anything about you are embarassing yourself.
I've watched enough G.I. Joe to know that COBRA is bad news. Those guys are all about world domination.
Yeah, I heard Cobra is pretty cheap.....
knowing is half the battle. Go Joe.
suicide watch at 100%
nothing is cheap-healthcare certainly isn't
COBRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!
Hey T-DAWG: GO FUCK YOURSELF.
I know about COBRA. That does not last very long, doesnt apply to many jobks, and obviously leaves millions of middle income people uninsured. If it did, there would not be 40 million uninsured.
GO FUCK YOURSELF.
ben, sorry for the language, but i am so sick of this fucking loser "t-dawg"
Chuck,
All you accomplished is a demonstration that your vocabulary fails you when you don't like the fact that someone disagrees with you. You obviously believe there is an obligation for some people to pay for the medical care of other people. T-Dawg disagrees. You are not going to convince him (or me) that socialism is a sound economic system. He and I are not going to convince you otherwise. No big deal. We don't have to agree.
that's not what t-dawg said. if he was honest with his disagreement, great. but he is an asshole that makes up stuff about the COBRA program, and makes up that i am some uninformed person.
and it just pissed me off.
and i don't care about convincing hardcore conservatives that don't want to help fellow citizens and children with medical problems. i just want to stop them from saying untrue stuff....like COBRA is some magical program that covers everyone that lose coverage.
and you got me, my language is bad. it is worse in real life. big deal.
Chuck
wow more of your uncanny insight and knowledge of a problem-just face it you are an uninformed buffoon who resorts to saying fuck off when your soundbyte retorts run out. Any more name calling because you obviously can't enter in to a debate on the issues. You are a joke and your reponse earlier in this thread proves it.
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